BIBLE & TRINITY: Conflict

April 30, 2007

TRINITY:

The fantasy that Jesus is/was god is baseless. To believe that is to
ignore a number of passages in the scriptures that say the opposite:

1)God cannot be tempted; the idea is absurd. Yet Jesus was, Matt. 4:1

2) God would not need to pray. Yet Jesus not only prays privately,
but fails to get what he wanted, Matt 26:39,42,44.

3) A single unified God cannot forsake itself. Yet Jesus is forsaken,
Matt. 27:46. If someone wants to argue that he is quoting Psalm 22,
fine, that Pslam also has the character it is about say that he is
less than a man, a mere worm. Would God refer to himself as a worm?
4) God is the source not the receiver of authority. Jesus said he
received authority, Matt. 28:14.

5) Jesus talks about God, Mark 3:35

6) Jesus said only God was good, Luke 18, 19

7) No one has ever seen God, but many saw Jesus, John 1:18

8. Jesus said the Father was greater than him; contrary to the
trinity doctrine which clearly teaches that all members of the God-
Head are coeternal and coequal. John 14:28

9. Jesus admits he has a God, John 20:17

10. Paul did not believe in the trinity because he said he served the
same God as his Jewish ancestors (and they did not believe in a God
the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) Acts 24:14

11. Paul states Jesus is between God and humans, therefore Jesus is
not God, I Cor. 3:23

12. Paul says the Father is God, and Jesus is a seperate being, I
Cor. 8:5-6

13. Paul says Jesus has a God, II Cor 11:31

14. Paul again states that Jesus is the MEDIATOR between God and
humans, I Tim. 2:5-7

15. John says that no one has ever seen God if Jesus was God this
would make no sense, I John 4:12

All these verse proves that JESUS(PUBH) was not GOD and Trinity is false concpet. and Jesus (PUBH) was messenger of God and didnt teaching anything except oneness of ALLAH (GOD)

Why Origanl Sin is Illogical Concept??

January 15, 2007

Original Sin, God and Christianity a “Conflict”

The original sin which means every child born is sinner because of mistake or sin of Adam (PUBH) and to prove this Christian friends quote:

Psalm 51:5 surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me (NIV)

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me (King James) and few other verses from bible.

This concept form the base of Christianity it provides the reason of god coming to earth in form of Jesus (PUBH) to sacrifice him self for sin of humans. If this concept is false then there was no need of god coming to earth. But this concept has got great problems and conflict with bible and nature of God. So let’s start with.

If Eph. 2:3, “By nature the children of wrath,” means born with a sinful nature and under the wrath of God because of that nature which the advocates of the doctrine of original sin teach then it follows that every child who dies in infancy goes to hell where he must forever suffer the awful punishment and wrath of God.    

If Psalm 51:5, “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me,” this means that even unborn child in their mother’s womb are sinner, all those millions of abortion and other child who die at the time of birth are in hell for the sin of Adam??

But I have never seen a single christen who will say the babies will go to hell. So I am asking is god so unjust that he will even throw small babies to hell because of sin of Adam(PUBH) done thousands of year ago??

The doctrine of original sin so clashes with God’s nature of justice that, no one can escape the fact that this concept is unjust which is against the nature of God.

Job 8:3 “Does God pervert justice? Does the Almighty pervert what is right”

Deuteronomy 27:19 “Cursed is the man who withholds justice…”

FEW REASONS WHY THE CONCEPT OF ORIGINAL SIN IS FALSE

The concept of original sin is false and creates few problems which are as follows:

1. It makes sin a misfortune and a calamity rather than a crime.

In fact, if the concept of original sin were true, sin would be a calamity rather than a crime. Could a sinful nature be the crime of him upon whom it is entailed without his knowledge or consent?

2. It excuses the sinner.

The sinner knows he cannot be to blame for his sins if he is born a sinner and sins unavoidably because of the nature with which he is born. The sinner is compelled to excuse himself (secretly at least) if he really believes that he sins because of an inborn sin nature. He must and he will excuse himself, even if only secretly. Over against the fact that this concept gives the sinner an excuse for his sins

3. It makes God responsible for sin.

If men are born with a sinful nature, who is to blame? Surely not the sinner, for he had no choice in being born with a sinful nature, who is the author of our nature? Who is our Creator? Who formed us in our mother’s womb? Who gave us life and breath and all things? To talk of men being born with a sinful nature is to ascribe sin to God because God is the Author of our nature.

4. It dishonors God and makes his government tyrannical, cruel, and unjust

According to this concept, innocent little babies are born with a sinful nature, and because of their nature, are objects of God’s wrath. Could anything make God more cruel and unreasonable?

5. It is a stumbling-block to the unsaved.

The sinner could not help but stumble over a concept that represents God as being cruel and unjust. According to this concept, God created us under such physical laws as would cause us all to be born sinners, and then condemns us for being born sinners. He cannot really repent because Repentance implies that the sinner blame himself for his sins.

6. It begets complacency and a low standard of religion among Christians.

Every influence of this concept is to hinder these two great causes of Christ. Christian believes that his very nature is sinful and that it is impossible for him to live without sinning, then he will not aim for Christian perfection, nor will he feel greatly disturbed about sin and worldliness in his life. Every tendency of this concept begets an indulgent spirit toward sin and a low standard of religion among Christians.

7. It soothes the conscience of sinning Christians

Christians make the excuse that they cannot help but sin because of a sinful nature inherited from Adam.

8. It causes ministers to wink at and excuse sin in their churches.

Ministers who believe this concept will have a tendency to wink at and excuse sin in their churches. Where this concept is taught and believed there will be little real horror of sinning against God. Christians and ministers will excuse sin with such statements as: “Nobody’s perfect,” “Even the Apostle Paul had to struggle with ‘indwelling sin,'” “God will change us when we get to heaven,” “Christians are not perfect, just forgiven,” “Be patient, God is still working on me,” “I made a mistake,” and “God understands our weaknesses and human frailties.” 

9. It contradicts all the other concepts of the Bible.

The fact is that the concept of original sin is so contrary to the Bible that to try to make the two harmonize would be like trying to make light and darkness exist together in one and the same place. Only by completely rewriting the Bible could it be made to agree with the concept of original sin.For instance, the most fundamental concepts of the Bible are contradicted by the concept of original sin:a. The concepts of mercy, grace, guilt, pardon, and repentance.b. The concept of God’s justice and righteousness in his judgment of sinners.The Bible says that God will “judge the world in righteousness.” Psalm 9:8. So Jesus (PUBH) died in the stead and behalf of sinners, proves that God regarded them not as unfortunates, but as criminal and altogether without excuse.  

10. It begets other false concepts.

Many false views on sin and salvation, with their concurrent misinterpretations of the Scriptures, come out of this one fundamental error.

11. It is ridiculous, and unreasonable.

It contradicts the necessary and irresistible affirmations of every man’s consciousness and reason, something that no True God’s concept could do.

12. It makes Jesus a sinner:

Most importantly the concept of original sin makes Jesus a sinner. The advocates of the concept of original sin quote Job 14:4 and 15:14 to teach that men are born sinners:Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one. Job 14:4What is man, that he should be clean? And he that is born of woman, that he should be righteous? Job 15:14The first of these texts supposedly teaches that a sinner will always produce another sinner. The second is supposed to teach substantially the same thing, that is, that all those who are born of woman are born sinners. But if the concept of original sin is true, then Mary, the mother of Jesus(PUBH), was also born a sinner; and if a sinner always produces another sinner, and if all those who are born of woman are born sinners, then there is no way to escape the conclusion that Jesus also was born a sinner. So in misusing these and other texts to teach that men are born sinners, the advocates of original sin are also making Jesus a sinner. And we know from bible that Jesus was man. He was born of a woman. He was the seed of Abraham, the offspring of David, descended from Adam. Matt. 1:1, Rom. 1:3, Heb. 2:16, Rev. 22:16

Conclusion:

As concluded from the proves given above we can easily say that original sin is false and man made concept which was introduce in Christianity and bible by humans. It conflicts with nature of God, Bible teachings Christianity and human mind. A person cannot be held responsible for sin of some one else as mentioned in Quran

No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another.” (Quran 6:164)

Also Mentioned in bible:

 “The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.” (Deut 24:16)

If the concept of Original Sin is false then no need of god coming to earth and sacrifice him self. Therefore if no original sin then no Christianity (which is followed currently) in fact it is PAULANITY what Christians are following, and it is not what Jesus (PUBH) taught.

Another Conflict between Jesus (PUBH) and Paul:Matthew 5:18-19
“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be Fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
But now Paul comes along and says:

Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law”
Romans 3:28 “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”

Again there is clear contradiction between Paul and Jesus (PUBH).

That’s why we Muslims believe Jesus (PUBH) was messenger of Allah (God) and he teaches nothing except oneness of Allah like all other messengers and the message was completed by the one who was predicted by Jesus him self that is prophet Muhammad (PUBH) with the help of Quran the book from God which still is in original form.

May Allah Guide us all to the truth.

Importance of Hadith proves from Quran

January 13, 2007

053.003 Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
053.004 It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:
Al-Qur’an, 053.003-004

Here it is clear that what Prophet says is not less than inspiration sent down to him by ALLAH.

And Obey ALLAH and the messenger, that ye may find mercy (Quran 3:132)

So again it is clear that along obeying ALLAH obey Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) also

“And whatsoever the Messenger allows you to do, do it. And whatsoever he forbids, abstain (from it.)” (Quran 59:7)

Again it is not said here that what ALLAH allows you to do instead it is mentioned that what messenger say which means here Quran is talking about Hadith and Sunnah

“Say: ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message).'” (Quran 24:54)

“O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and make not vain your deeds!” (Quran 47:33)

Again and again it is said that obey ALLAH and Messenger at same time and from where we get the orders of Prophet (PUBH) from ?? Answer Hadith and Sunnah

“We have revealed unto you the Remembrance that you may explain to mankind that which has been revealed for them” (16: 44)

YUSUFALI: (We sent them) with Clear Signs and Books of dark prophecies; and We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought. (Quran)

It is clear here that word EXPLAIN is use not Tell. So it is given in Quran that say Salat and perform Haj do Fasting, Pay Zakat but its Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) who explains how to do it. Its all from hadith and sunnah
YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah (Quran 33:21)

Again Quran is asking us to follow Prophet Muhamma (PUBH).

Conclusion:

From above mentioned verses of Quran it is clear that Hadith and Sunnah are important for muslim to be a prefect andbetter muslim and Allah have asked us to follow Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) and obey what he said.
 

All proves were given from the Holy Quran